@Burk the difficulty with this task is, okay. This was made by my father in law, as I pointed out to him years ago, there’s a design flaw. There’s no way to easy empty it. He should have made one of the sides , slideable ? It’s that a word, oh removable ! Another option would be to just take it off the wall and dump them buts it’s fixed to the wall! 😅 so i guess I’ll have to scoop.